The Maritime History of the Great Lakes
British Whig (Kingston, ON), Dec. 18, 1886

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A Substantial Organization Wanted Here.

A meeting of marine engineers was held in the council chamber last evening. It was for the purpose of considering whether it would be advisable to assist in establishing in Canada a marine engineers' brotherhood. Those who attended were: James Stewart, John Donnelly, J. Gillie, J. Mathews, P. Flanagan, G. Boyd, P. Fahey, M. Murphy, J. Rice, T. O'Niel, A. Burton, P. Kilcauley, J. Boyd, John Dodds, John Mills, John Dickson, J. McBride, William and G. Haslip. Gilbert Johnson presided. Mr. Anderson, member of the council of the marine engineers' association, of Toronto, addressed the meeting. He said that the Toronto association had been about four years in existence. It had gained considerable strength, had a good membership and some money in the bank. Persons belonging to it resided in Manitoba and Nova Scotia. The members of the association thought it would be better to convert it into a brotherhood and extend its usefulness all over the dominion. The secretary wrote to Hamilton and ascertained that the engineers there were in favor of the brotherhood. Some engineers talked of forming an international association, but if such were done no benefit would be derived from it by Canadian engineers because members of it could not work on American boats. The speaker wanted to get the views of the Kingston engineers on the question. There was every prospect that the engineers would be granted certificates for life instead of for two years only. He mentioned the reduction of the certificate renewal fee from $5 to $1, and claimed that the Toronto association had brought this about. (Some Kingston men held that it was through the efforts of two engineers of this city that this reduction was made.)

Mr. Anderson pointed out that in many ways the new association would help the engineers. It was intended, before forming the brotherhood, to hold a council of delegates in Toronto.

Mr. G. Johnson said the majority of the engineers had been so wearied by the last association in existence in Kingston that they intended taking care, if they belonged to another, that it would be of a substantial kind. He, however, was in favor of a brotherhood if it could be carried on correctly.

Mr. P. Kilcauley spoke against the last engineers' association. The members of it did not stand by one another.

Mr. Donnelly explained the workings of the engineers' brotherhood and contended that, if formed in Canada, it would be a good institution.

Mr. John Dickson supported the suggestion to form a brotherhood. With it the engineers on tug boats would have to carry certificates.

Mr. Gillie said an engineer holding a first or second class certificate could not sail on salt water until he passed another examination, and the inspectors purposed refraining from holding such examinations until they got further orders.

Messrs. Dodds and McBride favoured a brotherhood. Mr. McBride said if they had such a thing they could check the government in making laws that went against their interests.

It was moved by Mr. J. Dodds, seconded by Mr. J. Donnelly: "That in consideration of the great number of persons engaged in the various branches of marine engineering, the growing importance of the trade and the great interests involved therein, the Kingston engineers are desirous of having established a Canadian Marine Engineers' brotherhood, to watch over and protect the interests and welfare of all concerned; to diffuse sound and reliable information by the discussion of practical subjects, and generally to elevate and improve the condition of marine engineers; also to give employees and owners greater facilities for obtaining engineers of undoubted practical experience and ability."

Dec. 20, 1886


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British Whig (Kingston, ON), Dec. 18, 1886