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Oriental (Schooner), sunk, 25 Oct 1887


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Schooner ORIENTAL, of 375 Tons, Built 1866. Owned by Calvin. Home port, Kingston. Class B 2. On October 23, 1887 Vessel, with a cargo of coal, foundered in lake Ontario, becoming a total loss. property loss, hull $3,500, cargo $3,000
      1887 Casualty List (Total Loss)
      Marine Record, Dec. 15, 1887 p.4

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Port Dalhousie,-- The barge ORIENTAL went down about two miles from this port, and about one and a half miles east of the lighthouse here at 2 o'clock Monday morning, and it is feared that all hands were lost. The ORIENTAL left Charlotte Saturday night in tow of the propeller SCOTIA, bound for Toronto with 700 tons of coal. The weather being bad the captain of the SCOTIA tried to reach here, but was unable to do so and then tried to get into Niagara. Shortly after coming round the tow line parted, and it was with the utmost difficulty that the SCOTIA managed to get into Niagara. It is supposed that the straining of the ORIENTAL in the heavy sea opened her seams, causing her to fill and sink. Captain Fraser, of the SCOTIA, had driven from Niagara to this port Monday searching for any signs of the ORIENTAL's yawl or crew, but found no trace of them. The crew consisted of Captain George Stewart of Port Dalhousie; Edward Stark, of South Bay, Mate; Charles Baker and Herbert Storey, both of Kingston and Minn Herbert, of Kingston, cook. The spars of the vessel are above water, and plainly visible from here, and she appears to be lying on an even keel. The ORIENTAL was owned by Samuel Fraser of Kingston, and was not insured.
      Marine Record
      Oct. 27, 1887 p.5



The Barge ORIENTAL went down about two miles off Port Dalhousie, about 2 o'clock Monday, and it is feared all hands were lost.
      Port Huron Daily Times
      Tuesday, October 25, 1887



Port Colborne.--The friends of the crew of the barge ORIENTAL, sunk off Port Dalhousie, are endeavoring to secure tidings of the lost men. A telegram from Port Dalhousie states that the ORIENTAL has been examined by a diver, who reports that she is going to pieces. Every effort is being made to find the bodies, but without success. Mrs. Storey, mother of one of the drowned sailors, is crazed by the lamentable affair, and refuses to eat or sleep until some tidings are heard of her son. For a week she has persistently refused food and is in a delirious condition.
      The Marine Record
      Thurs. Nov. 3, 1887 p.5


Schooner ORIENTAL, of 328 tons reg.,and 23 years of age. Home port, Kingston. When bound from Charlotte to Toronto, on Oct.24, 1887, vessel foundered in a heavy sea 2 miles northeast of Port Dalhousie, becoming a total loss. Property loss, hull $5,000, cargo $2,800.
      Statement of Wreck & Casualty, 1887
      Dept. of Marine and Fisheries




KINGSTON: - In regard to the loss of the ORIENTAL this season John Irwin said that he is a master mariner, and resides in Kingston. He is an old sailor and has been on the water since 1852, starting first as a boy on the ECLIPSE, then owned by Calvin & Son. His knowledge of the ORIENTAL is limited, but he was mate of the SCOTIA when the ORIENTAL broke loose. Mr. Irwin said that the SCOTIA with the ORIENTAL in tow left Charlotte on the morning of the 23 rd. of October, about 8:30 o'clock, bound for Toronto. When they left the wind was about south east, light, with the weather fair. The tow had been wind bound at Charlotte for two days. The SCOTIA was drawing about seven feet one inch forward, and twelve feet aft. The witness knew nothing definite about the draught of the ORIENTAL, but he believed she was drawing the same depth of water as usual. Witness heard no Complaints from Captain Stewart as to her leaking or anything else. The captain of the ORIENTAL controlled the loading of his own boat. Although Captain Stewart was lame from a broken leg, he was able to get around as lively as was necessary. After leaving Charlotte the steamer steamed up along the south shore to a point between Oak Orchard and the Devil's Nose. The wind veered from the southeast to east southeast, and the course mentioned was kept till noon, when the wind seemed to set steady and a course was shaped west by north three-quarters north from Toronto. Between half past three and four, the wind commenced to veer to the south, and the tow was run up along the south shore to make smooth water under the land, the captain thinking that the wind would heave down to south west. This was thought to be the best plan, and they fetched up near Niagara about ten o'clock that night, the wind still southerly and blowing pretty fresh. At that hour, to the best of the witness' knowledge,
everything was all right. He was in the pilot house. The ORIENTAL had her foresail hoisted. With that canvas set, witness could not tell whether the ORIENTAL was heavy on the tow line. By the steamboat they were making six miles an hour headway.
      Marine Record
      January 5, 1888



ORIENTAL schooner in tow of the propeller SCOTIA, foundered off Port Dalhousie, Lake Ontario, October 25, 1887. Vessel and crew of five persons lost.
      Steamboat Inspection Report
      Sessional papers, Canada, 1888
     



PORT DALHOUSIE:-The wrecking tug McARTHUR arrived here Saturday. She is waiting for the weather before commencing to wreck the barge ORIENTAL that was sunk off here last fall
      Marine Record
      July 5, 1888



      The barge ONIENTAL sunk off Port Dalhousie in the fall of 1887 and it is intended that the wrecking tug McARTHUR will go to her when the weather allows.
      Marine record
      July 5, 1888



PORT DALHOUSIE:-Messrs Carter Bros. of Port Colborne, have had their steam pump at work all day pumping coal out of the wrecked schooner ORIENTAL into their lighter, the schooner BAY TRADER
      Marine Record
      September 13, 1888



      Carter's wrecking outfit succeeded in taking off the boiler of the sunken barge ORIENTAL. They expect to be able to pump out the coal when the weather moderates. Fore & Aft News.
      Marine Record
      September 13, 1888



The tug HECTOR and schooner BAY TRADER have left Port Colborne to go to the
wrecked barge ORIENTAL. They intend pumping out the water, and getting the engine, anchor and chains off.
      Detroit Free Press
      September 9, 1888



The Calvin Company has commenced construction of a new barge. Part of her midship frames are up. When completed, her dimensions will be: Length 200 feet, beam 37 feet, and depth of hold 16 feet. She will have a half clipper bow and four masts. The firm purchased the rigging from Capt. Fraser of the schooner ORIENTAL; sunk at Niagara, and will use part of it to fit out the new boat.
      Daily British Whig, Kingston
      September 12, 1890
     
     
     
     
Register Number: 156 Folio 1.
Name: ORIENTAL
Description: Schooner
Tons: 383
When Built: I864
Where Built: Garden Island
Where she belongs: Kingston
Present Master:
Builders name & date of certificate: Henry Roney, Nov.2,18614
Description of vessel:-.
      Length: 137 feet & 3/lOths.
      Breadth: 25 feet & 3/lOths. at amidships
      Depth of hold: 12 feet & 5/lOths.
      Masts: Two
      Square or Round Stern: Square
      Standing or Running Bowsprit: Standing
      How rigged: Schooner
      Figure-Head: None
      How Built: Carvel
      Decks: One. no galleries
Subscribing owners:- Calvin & Break of Garden Island,sold to John Fraser of Kingston dated July 7,1865
      from Port of Kingston Registry
      for the year 1864
      National Archives ,Ottawa




Schooner ORIENTAL lately launched at Garden Island was built by
Calvin & Breck. 144 x 26 x 12*6
      Toronto Globe
      November 15,1864


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Reason: sunk
Lives: 5
Hull damage: $3,500
Cargo: $3,000
Freight: coal
Remarks: Total loss
Date of Original:
1887
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McN.W.11544
Language of Item:
English
Geographic Coverage:
  • Ontario, Canada
    Latitude: 43.20011 Longitude: -79.26629
Donor:
William R. McNeil
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Oriental (Schooner), sunk, 25 Oct 1887